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« Reply #20 on: 08.09. 2011 15:54 » |
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The work is all but finished
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muskrat
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« Reply #21 on: 08.09. 2011 16:54 » |
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Foot rests and beer holder, sit back and watch MotoGP.  And show a little respect for the wife's carpet.  Cheers  |
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Only young once, immature forever. Now how can I make this go faster. '51 A7 plunger, '57 A7SS now A10, '71 A65 Lightning (gone to god) '76 XT500, '83 CB1100F, next project a '64 A65.  |
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« Reply #22 on: 08.09. 2011 20:09 » |
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So that,s what is meant by fitting a chair.
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56 A10 Golden Flash - Restore, ride, relive.
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cyclobutch
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« Reply #23 on: 08.09. 2011 21:31 » |
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Hmmmmm. I'd keep those handlebars and chuck the rest away.
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'58 Iron Head Flash Bitza
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Rocket Racer
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« Reply #24 on: 19.09. 2011 10:49 » |
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Cookie, what is your vision for the bike? are you intending to build it as a custom, original... That primary drive looks like one for the shelf, I hope you find the motor in less modified form. The 16" rear wheel and purple (?) guard suggests someone was thinking chopper, but thankfully didnt get too far. Welcome to the forum and good luck with whatever you have in mind |
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A good rider periodically checks all nuts and bolts with a spanner to see that they are tight - Instruction Manual for BSA B series, p46, para 2.
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Cookie
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« Reply #25 on: 19.09. 2011 16:41 » |
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Cookie,
what is your vision for the bike? None,this is the Frame after cleaning!  |
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manosound
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« Reply #26 on: 19.09. 2011 17:08 » |
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Well, that looks rough, but I am certain a frame straightening service could deal with it for some indeterminate amount of cash. If it were mine, I would get some really large Oxy-Acetylene bottles and a big torch tip and start working with the tubes red hot. Clamps across the flattened portions; holes with screws that can be pulled where the dents are, etc.; all while it's red hot. Having spewed this, I admit I haven't done it, it's just the approach I imagine. No doubt, it would need to be developed and modified during the learning process.
Richard L.
I tried to see if Google translator would make sense of all this, but I was never satisfied with the translation, so I hope it makes sense as it is. "Spewed" meaning, "spoken, maybe, too much."
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« Reply #27 on: 19.09. 2011 22:00 » |
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On more thought, and I would love it if others commented on this, perhaps the easiest thing would be for a good weldnig service to build up everywhere where the pipes are flattened or dented, then grind it round again.
Sorry if I spoke too soon (or too much) about working the pipes back into shape while red hot. I'm not sure that would not work, but might not be the best approach.
Richard L.
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« Reply #28 on: 19.09. 2011 22:24 » |
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I have already exchanged some emails with Cookie, since he asked me whether I knew of any exchange frame for him (which I don't unfortunately).
The knackered tubes seem to be pretty rotten as well (paper thin), so imho the only way would be replacing the damaged sections completely. I wouldn't feel very comfortable with such huge dents built up by welding. You are probably going to end up with very big changes in wall thickness, all sorts of pores and inclusions, hard spots, etc. All very likely causes for subsequent cracks. And then you still don't know what the bottom tubes look like on the inside, even if the outside looks okay they could have rusted internally with moisture getting inside through the cracks and holes.
If it was my frame I'd cut the curved parts out, which gives you a good opportunity to check remaining wall thickness of the rear sections, then reproduce the damaged parts and weld them back in. This means making some fixtures to avoid distortion, and checking the frame for straightness will be a good idea anyway I guess, the knackered bottom tubes tell a story of abuse and neglect.
We have figured out that it is not the original engine-frame combination anyway, so I have adviced Cookie to look for a good replacement frame, since it'll probably be the cheaper option.
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manosound
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« Reply #29 on: 19.09. 2011 22:40 » |
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Markus,
Thanks for settng this (and me) straight.
Richard L.
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« Reply #30 on: 19.09. 2011 22:49 » |
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I'm not saying it couldn't be done, Richard, but I really wouldn't take chances on the frame.
Would be interesting to know what a professional frame straigthening company would charge for the operation (unfortunately I don't know any in our neck of the woods, and even then the question is whether they would touch it if they had to replace rather than straighten and do welding work), but my guess would be far beyond the price of a proper replacement frame.
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1955 A7 Shooting Star 1956 A10 Golden Flash 1961 Matchless G12 CSR "Upon seeing the shadow of a pigeon, one must resist the urge to look up." (Confucius) Austria |
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Rocket Racer
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« Reply #31 on: 20.09. 2011 10:29 » |
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Sorry to see that frame damage The question is whether you know any good engineers with frame jigs... Looks like a candidate for partial or major re-tubing. How much else is right with the bike. Might be time to carefully assess whats involved and whether its economic to carry on. My rig started off as an idea, I just tracked down what I wanted...it took time and much $$$ but I got what I could never have ever bought. Make a list work out what you've got thats worth working with and whats stuffed. Anything can be fixed, but the cost can easily become prohibitive and turn a dream to ashes (been there, done that in the past!) I'm sure forum members can assist with whatever you choose to do. sadly my local contacts in the colonies not of any practical use to you but good luck and do some careful thinking... Tim |
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A good rider periodically checks all nuts and bolts with a spanner to see that they are tight - Instruction Manual for BSA B series, p46, para 2.
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Cookie
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« Reply #32 on: 20.09. 2011 11:04 » |
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Time will tell.Hope dies last.Rome wasn’t built in a day!! This could use the Money however be a Problem,that´s right. |
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« Reply #34 on: 21.09. 2011 01:53 » |
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Hi
Theres a nice looking frame on Ebay USA
HTH
John
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manosound
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« Reply #35 on: 21.09. 2011 13:58 » |
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No debate with the logic that a replacement frame would probably be cheaper than fixing Cookie's, or that Cookie's would be too much time and trouble to fix, but I'm haunted by this frame in Germany that will apparently go for free, pennies or to the trash.
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« Reply #36 on: 21.09. 2011 20:26 » |
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Hi Cookie,
theres another frame on ebay in Austria
number 130576673957
HURRY its up tonight!!!!
John
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